Remove getting mining fatigue while underground

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Ｂｒｅａｄ67 messagesstarted Aug 8, 2026, 4:11 PM

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ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

I know it's not a common occurrence, but getting donged while you're trying to dig out of a cave is just instant softlock/loss without any real way to avoid or escape.

Suggestions for the when the player shouldn't get donged:
- if the player is below a certain Y-level
- if the player isn't in water

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emusic2 months ago

idk, i feel like removing it is kinda cheaty and un-vanilla

beniibobs2 months ago

If u have a bed u could just death reset

Threadfinn2 months ago

Not if you were digging straight up

Threadfinn2 months ago

Only way out is death

Threadfinn2 months ago(edited)

If you are digging straight up and get donged while in a 2x1, you have to die (lava, fire, water, powdered snow). If you want to respawn there, you'll need to break at least 2 blocks to place an unobstructed bed (almost 5 minutes in stone with an iron pick) and you still could get donged again after.

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

but if the vanilla game feature is unpredictable and just forces u to die and lose everything then i think its fine to change it

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

perhaps the wording of "underground" is wrong cus its easy to hunger reset in a cave.

but i just got tilted from failing a blackout run cus i was digging straight up and got donged, and theres literally nothing u can do in that situation

sugaarush2 months ago

idk why this is getting downvoted. it’s such a high rng element between players and although is part of the vanilla game, it isn’t appropriate in a competitive game

sugaarush2 months ago

there’s nothing skill wise a player does wrong if they blind in a cave and get donged

sugaarush2 months ago(edited)

unless there was some way to standardize mining fatigue; it’s the same reason it doesn’t exist in mcsr ranked

Threadfinn2 months ago

Yeah I understand not fully removing mining fatigue, since that removes skill when actually choosing to loot a monument or getting too close while boating past.

Threadfinn2 months ago

But if you blind into a cave, why should there be a 0.1% chance you either get softlocked or lose all your items

sugaarush2 months ago

yea

beniibobs2 months ago

milk the cave cows

sugaarush2 months ago

especially when there’s so much rng variance in blinding itself

Threadfinn2 months ago

you mean like this

Threadfinn2 months ago

I guess if it's possible to randomly get an instant win off a blind, maybe it's also ok to have a chance to instantly lose off an unlucky blind

Threadfinn2 months ago

Although this isn't supposed to happen on first blind, and only gives a few goals. But getting mining fatigue while digging up is the same as a full inventory reset.

maskers2 months ago

if the player isn't in water

makes it so that you can't get mining fatigue while mining gold for instance which is a way bigger change than the 0.1% chance of you blinding below a monument

maskers2 months ago

idrk how abusable would being below a certain y level be, you can now dig down right below a monument after getting a sponge

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

the suggestions are just ranodm ideas i have anyway

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

but i think y-level is the more realistic one

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

if u get sponge might as well jsut go up and out of the monument

Threadfinn2 months ago

I feel like this isn't a huge issue, since there's usually still two guardians that could dong you before you get underground. It would still be a terrible idea to try and dig under the monument, just a bit less terrible than vanilla

maskers2 months ago

maybe you have one milk bucket idk

maskers2 months ago

it's just such a rare issue

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

blinding low purposefully to get caved happens alot

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

and just getting destroyed cus im tryna dig up is jsut bs

Threadfinn2 months ago

I agree it isn't a major issue, it's very similar to disconnecting resetting your world, but that is much more common

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

and i dont think the y-level solution is that abusable

maskers2 months ago

i feel like wanting to go down under a monument is still a more realistic scenario than blinding below a monument & getting mining fatigue

maskers2 months ago

even ignoring the monument being a focus of a goal, wanting to go into a deep ocean cave is surely way more common than blinding

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

then we can come up with more ideas like maybe if the player has had access to skylight before going down then they will still get donged or something liek that

ＢｒｅａｄOP2 months ago

i just dont know why everyone just fully shut down this idea without even considering

maskers2 months ago

im honestly not even convinced on the idea with the perfect execution being good
when there's so much rng in blinding itself, does it even help to slightly reduce it
realistically you should be able to hunger reset with smth you have and keep playing so it doesn't also always lose you the game if you were ahead enough? and it doesn't turn into a boring cutscene of you having to dig up/down

also how avoidable is it, idk what is the dong range and what range do you hear guardians from

maskers2 months ago

standardising only does something when both players are in the same scenario
there's no way both players would be in that scenario

ArthurB2 months ago

I know that elder guardian gives mining fatigue 3, so maybe we can make that 1 or 2 because for instance a iron pick on stone take:
0,4 sec without mining fatigue
1,32 sec with mf 1
4,44 sec with mf 2
148 sec with mf 3
For comparaison, diamond pick on obsidian without mf is 9,4 sec

ArthurB2 months ago

So idk ideally mf 2,5 would be cool but idk if its possible

ArthurB2 months ago

Bc mf 2 seems to broken of a nerf imo

Artnauta2 months ago

4.4 sec per block is still painful I think that'd be a good change

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

this happens extremely rarely i don’t think it’s worth spending time trying to “fix” it

ArthurB2 months ago

Yeah but when it happens, it ruins your game entierly

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

no you can just hunger reset

Threadfinn2 months ago

That takes multiple minutes, and you still could get donged again

Threadfinn2 months ago

How do you place the bed in a 2x1 that you're in?

Threadfinn2 months ago

And if you don't set spawn and opt for a run back, you'll need to travel likely a couple thousand blocks, and collect milk on the way.

isawabelle2 months ago

i dont think we should change this
i agree with making it so you cant get mining fatigue if you're underground (personally i think a "if you're not in water AND below sea level"
but changing the mechanics of mining fatigue feels too far into the non-vanilla

maskers2 months ago

or don't set spawn and don't run back, depending on the board it could be very viable

Threadfinn2 months ago

Yes if you don't need any of your items it isn't that bad, but if death resetting to get back to spawn was helpful you likely would've done that already instead of trying to dig up from a cave

Threadfinn2 months ago

I'm still not fully in favor of it because there's always going to be a lot of rng no matter what, no point trying to fix such a rare occurence.

Threadfinn2 months ago

But I do think that in most situations in a close game, if this happens it becomes an almost guaranteed loss unless your opponent also dies and loses everything

isawabelle2 months ago

i'm fine with most rng since it like creates risk
but this is just rng, there's isn't really a "oh but you couldve dug up somewhere else" and its not likely to be rng your opponent gets either

StarFaint2 months ago

Killing every RNG element would kill some fun :(

isawabelle2 months ago

actually no nvm ig you can pie for guardian so it is avoidable

maskers2 months ago

i thought about it but i think it's a bad argument since nobody is going to do that

maskers2 months ago

wasting a few seconds is surely not worth it when the risk is so low

isawabelle2 months ago

yea idt its a valid argument to not prevent this from happening

StarFaint2 months ago

You can set rd to 2 to avoid getting cursed.

isawabelle2 months ago

rng is fine but i would argue getting mining fatigue randomly isn't exactly fun rng

maskers2 months ago

i don't think setting rd to 2 changes the chance of getting donged at all (?) could be lying

maskers2 months ago

definitely doesn't prevent it if you're under a monument

StarFaint2 months ago

It, however, is funny :)

isawabelle2 months ago

as a viewer maybe

isawabelle2 months ago

idt balancing for the viewing experience is good either tho

beniibobs2 months ago

Yeah i was messing with rd and sim dist and it looks like its not helpful

ＢｒｅａｄOP3 weeks ago

@xstevey we got another victim