Discord Forum Board

pinkpuff2 months ago

Agree , i think theyll totally spam resources if they keep getting sent here as separate posts

maya2 months ago

personally downvoting because i dont really like channels/forums with very very very localized purposes, which this is to me. i find stuff like #strat-dev and #resources broad and complex enough to warrant existing

maya2 months ago

but thats just my two cents

maya2 months ago

my proposed solution would be a tag to distinguish boards from other resources, rather than an entirely new channel

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

fair too

Threadfinn2 months ago

I think this would be good as just a thread in #resources . Not its own channel but each individual board doesn't need it's own thread either

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

that sounds messy to me, i suggested a forum channel so that people can have discussions about the boards in a neat way

maya2 months ago

yeah agreed, the feinberg board has its own thread in resources and it already has a lot of talk in it, having a singular thread for all boards would be messy as hell

nsla2 months ago

i think it would be useful for set boards

beniibobs2 months ago

it’s just that when beginners are wanting to get started on learning draftout, you want to tell them they can look in resources since a lot of tech and guides are in there. with people sharing custom boards as well it just feels like it’s 2 things shoved into one. granted they could filter for tags but atm it does feel a bit messy

closure2 months ago

the discussion on custom board threads are completely different from every other thread, it's basically a player-created challenge instead of an educational resource

1

closure2 months ago

people will share strategies and lobby times for the board which makes it a very active thread, so these will just constantly pop up to the top of the forum and drown out normal resources

1

closure2 months ago

for example, right now, there's a #strat-dev thread for the feinberg board. if other custom boards start becoming popular and each one either has two threads in two different forums or one active thread in #resources that seems messy

maya2 months ago

idk what the point of tags are if not for Exactly this, to be honest

beniibobs2 months ago(edited)

I’d imagine tags to be for looking for sub-categories, like how it works in #suggestions — the equivalent for resources might be differentiating specific goal tech from like spreadsheets or practice maps. I don’t see how custom “challenge” boards fit into this. Merriam-Webster defines a resource as “a source of supply or support : an available means”. The challenge boards are not that at all. It’s unintuitive to me that they ever even got put in resources in the first place given the #resources guidelines say “This forum channel is to post useful bits of info or resources for things like strategies, setups, tutorials, etc. regarding Draftout or Minecraft.”

2

Threadfinn2 months ago

It is a bit weird to have the top 2 posts in #resources by message count not be resources. They're also significantly newer than the 3rd place which is a sheet that has almost all the stats that can possibly be drawn from the api, but have overtaken all actual resource posts.

Threadfinn2 months ago

It also does feel likely that if the first person to post one in the channel wasn't feinberg, it might've been taken down for being a troll post.

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

it's also notable that custom boards are way more likely to have active discussion than an actual resource, so they'll always float to the top of the channel

maya2 months ago(edited)

i dont really think im personally very fond of the idea of people just* clicking the most popular posts in the resources channel randomly and using that to categorize how it should be organized

maya2 months ago

i cant imagine anyone going there with absolutely zero idea in mind of what kind of resource they would need and just clicking the first things they see

maya2 months ago

if youre new and want to know how to do a goal you are probably searching for the resource anyways

maya2 months ago

that was my experience personally

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

it's valuable to browse resources without knowing what you're looking for, that's how you find something you never would have even thought of

1

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

especially if you're an inexperienced player, you have more to learn

maya2 months ago

being completely genuine and honest, do you really think theres enough boards being posted that it would impede someone from just browsing?

maya2 months ago

the creation and sharing of boards isnt so popular that it overshadows everything else

maya2 months ago

i scroll for 5 seconds and the boards are gone and its all resources

maya2 months ago

i dont think its even remotely a problem, let alone something that needs solving with a new forum

maya2 months ago

the prophylaxis isnt rlly necessary because there is no issue to begin with (in my opinion)

Buzzaboo2 months ago

me when I'm being completely genuine and honest

2

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

with how popular lobbies are, and how much discussion custom board threads get, they're definitely trending towards oversaturating the top of the channel as time goes on

maya2 months ago

i think that if the point is People should be able to comfortable browse

maya2 months ago

having things float to the top isnt really that relevant

Buzzaboo2 months ago

i mean it's how i would keep up with draftout tech

maya2 months ago

i really doubt itll ever get to a point where it takes you a whole minute of scrolling past boards to locate random resources

maya2 months ago

thats valid ive just never gone to the forum without a purpose myself so i didnt even consider it a possibility

Buzzaboo2 months ago

i do look at the resources channel for fun and it is weird having two very different things there

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

if you're new to the server, how would you even know that there's a reason to keep scrolling though?

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

you'd check out the channel and see custom boards, nothing useful

maya2 months ago

(also when new resources come along they will cut through the boards and it wont even be noticeable, to be honest)

maya2 months ago

anyone who genuinely wants help and has the attention span to properly seek out well written and expounded upon resources isnt just gonna look at the first 5 posts and think "nothing useful here", lets be serious

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

i'm completely serious

maya2 months ago

i dont believe the kind of person youre referring to even exists, at least not in my mind

maya2 months ago

i feel like if u just wanted something short and quick you'd just ask in public help

GracefulBeauty2 months ago

in my experience making things that people use, you're overestimating the general population

1

maya2 months ago

rather than dive into a huge forum

maya2 months ago

maybe so

maya2 months ago

i feel like i am not reaching that hard though

blanket addict2 months ago

I agree that the resources channel is too cluttered I also check it for fun but lots of it is not strategies or resources for improving

maya2 months ago

like the idea of a person who Wants to actively sit down and learn, hops in a channel, looks at 5 posts and then goes somewhere else just seems inherently contradictory in nature

blanket addict2 months ago

it makes it a lot worse as a resource for that

blanket addict2 months ago(edited)

it extends beyond custom boards though so you could probably just add mandatory categories

maya2 months ago

i think "resources" is such a broad term that putting the entire forum into a box of "This is a place that new players should come to learn things" is also maybe not the most productive

blanket addict2 months ago

yeah I think mandatory categories is the best solution

maya2 months ago

i like broad forums with a lot of things because randomly scrolling thru All kinds of resources is very interesting, regardless of whether they immediately hold value to me or not

maya2 months ago

I could get behind that I think

blanket addict2 months ago

I think splitting up strategy stuff into its own forum could make sense still but I feel like mandatory categories would work well enough

Artnauta2 months ago

A channel with custom boards could also have threads for daily/weekly seeds if those ever become a thing (especially if they're handpicked and/or have handcrafted boards)

pinkpuff2 months ago

i do this like every time i open up the game!!!. Ppl post so much but it gets buried so yeah i just scroll resources to see what i missed when im actually back at my computer. Im Rarely searching for specific tech unless its a post ive already seen, i just wanna learn everything aga

1

pinkpuff2 months ago

I also think having a place to share them will make people more inclined to make and share boards which is ultimately a good thing and encourages more gameplay . That could be the place people post a 'weekly race' type seed too which is another suggestion people have requested before and many are a fan of, but I think works better as a player hosted challenge. Gives us a way to do so!

EliteMaster2 months ago

The custom boards thread would also allow boards to not get as lost as they might do in reaources, and some people may feel like they dont want to post custom boards in resources as it feels like it would not be allowed.

beniibobs2 months ago

Now every time there's something new in resources I have to think "is this actually useful or is it just another challenge board?"

2

maya2 months ago

when is it genuinely difficult to distinguish between a board or a resource

maya2 months ago

for me so far, literally never

jes2 months ago

i think they mean when the channel appears unread, not looking at actual posts themselves

1

EliteMaster2 months ago

its not about being difficult, its about ease and convenience. For now its fine, but as more boards start to show up, it will clutter people who look at the resources thread to look at and learn new tech, not for silly, fun, or challenging boards, Currently the top 3 posts are custom boards, which do not relate to "resources", as resources is a thread meant to help you learn and improve.

As stated by nsla:

This forum channel is to post useful bits of info or resources for things like strategies, setups, tutorials, etc. regarding Draftout or Minecraft.

maya2 months ago

i feel like the point of the etc. is to account for new kinds of resources

maya2 months ago

such as custom boards

maya2 months ago

i think yalls perception of the resources channel and its use cases are valid but not objective in any way

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

for transparency, i brought this up to the rest of the team, and we likely aren't going to be implementing a separate channel for custom boards.

some staff members floated an idea that i'm interested in doing, which is creating a spinoff discord server for sharing boards and any other lobby customization files that may come in the future

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i'll see if i can work on it when i get some free time from my projects

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

the resources forum is eventually gonna be annoying to use either way tbf

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

it’s not an ideal solution

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

are your projects awesomesauce?

EliteMaster2 months ago

well thats why there needs to be labels like in bug reports

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

debatably so

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

sick (i can never come up with any projects i actually want to do)

EliteMaster2 months ago

in that case, adding labels for boards when searching (and for other stuff) would help i think

2

chezbgone2 months ago(edited)

a separate discord server to me seems like overcomplicating it (I can't envision the other server having more than like 4 channels?) , as well as prematurely optimizing for the "other lobby customization".

i feel like the two natural solutions to the problem of #resources becoming harder to look through with boards are:
- making a separate channel
- adding a tagging system.
personally I prefer the separate channel, but can understand the argument for using tags instead

5

beniibobs2 months ago

I still can’t help thinking if feinberg posted his challenge in his own server, or in media where someone pinned it, resources would’ve just stayed as resources and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion

2

Artnauta2 months ago

The upvote ratio is 52 to 1 so I think we've decided

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

who is we

Artnauta2 months ago

the community? the people who've read the suggestion

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

then what is the decision exactly

Artnauta2 months ago

to make a new channel

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

if it was a clear cut thing i would've done it already

Artnauta2 months ago(edited)

I mean sorry if I've missed something but I'm reading back all the msgs sent rn, and I'm only seeing maya arguing against

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

not every popular suggestion is gonna get accepted

Artnauta2 months ago

of course, but still

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i don't think it's my place to share the discussion i had with staff, the outcome is the only thing that rly matters from it

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

its ok we’ll allow it in draftout server 2

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

pending name: agabab

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

pending icon: agabab

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

pending head admin: aga
pending discord mod: bab

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

truth acorn

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

but yeah it’s ultimately up to the staff to decide whether to add things or not, this is not a democracy

Artnauta2 months ago(edited)

ok didn't see yet that the staff decided that and I'd be interested in the arguments against doing it, what maya has said are mostly reasons why it wouldn't be bad to leave it as is

pinkpuff2 months ago

Making a draftout discord 2 is wild to me? I dont understand the opposition to potentially a few more channels in here that are all still related to the gameplay that we all like to have. Is it a moderation issue im not understanding?

2

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

yeah we don’t have their reasoning for not adding it so can only speculate really…

1

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

i think it makes more sense to add than #strat-dev which isn’t used much

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

but maybe custom boards won’t be popular for very long? it’s hard to say how many people would use it in a week or two

noura 🜛OP2 months ago(edited)

strat dev activity is most likely gonna be up and down with the addition of new goals/vanilla updates, but its theorycrafting still deserves a spot imo i'd say it's pretty important for complex games

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

Yea id just prefer a normal channel but i think it deserves to exist

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

Just think so does the board thing

pinkpuff2 months ago

Yeah they feel very similar importance in my brain

jes2 months ago

the only reason i'm personally against a separate discord is for the nichest issue ever which is people without nitro at server limit

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

that's still a thing? damn

jes2 months ago

why make a separate server when you have a space now already with the audience and moderation needed to just make a new channel category for "silly" and creative outlets

jes2 months ago

yeah it's 100 i have to consistently leave servers

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i would've thought discord increased it by now or something

jes2 months ago

but this shouldn't impact ur/the staff's judgement

jes2 months ago

it just is a thing thst exists

jes2 months ago

are we talking about the same app

jes2 months ago

LMFAO

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

touche

jes2 months ago

also with the new ish community features u can hide entire categories client side anyways

jes2 months ago

that's just imo tho

jes2 months ago

i also agree custom boards should not go in resources unless they are explicitly for practice that you somehow can't do in a prac map/singleplayer world

jes2 months ago

but hopefully forum tags will help anyways

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

#resources is just the only place that rly made "sense" for them

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

so i don't blame ppl for using it

jes2 months ago

ya agree

jes2 months ago

and also on the topic of audience, like someone else said it gets kinda complicated and people easily miss links because People do not read info channels

jes2 months ago

closure2 months ago

I feel like the staff pushback against creating a custom boards forum is probably because there's too many forums already and it makes the server feel cluttered

EliteMaster2 months ago

that doesnt explain or validate making an entirely new server for just custom boards tho imo

closure2 months ago

i agree there shouldn't be a whole new server for that though

EliteMaster2 months ago

if ur making a new server, then maybe move all forums there then

closure2 months ago

maybe instead of making a new server. split the all the text/forum channels into two or three categories

closure2 months ago(edited)

also i suspect rowl and marin don't want the mod to be so heavily focused on blackout when it's meant to be draftout

closure2 months ago

i don't really know if there's a good solution tbh, maybe make servers roles for "draftout" and "blackout" and "lobbies" and let people pick what they want to see

closure2 months ago

obviously that's making the server a lot more complicated though

Buzzaboo2 months ago

you too? idk

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i don't think she was implying otherwise

maya2 months ago

what noura said

maya2 months ago

not implying that my own perception of it is objective either, i just dont appreciate people coming in with matter of fact perceptions of what the resources forum is supposed to be when its not that clear cut in the first place

maya2 months ago

i cant speak for the higher staff but at least my own personal opinion aligns with this, basically. i like when servers are as simple as possible and an excess of channels goes against my personal vision of simplicity in a server, channel clutter feels much worse than forums which are generally expected to be cluttered Anyways, if you have any history of being on forums outside of discord

maya2 months ago

i think tags would help a lot with organization within the forum and i agree with that idea much more than a separate entire forum for custom boards

pinkpuff2 months ago(edited)

This is just fundamental disagreement then and thats fine, but i dont care about minimalism in a discord server im here to see the things, thats why i joined.
Also why i have suggested to add a better way to share draftout content in here. I want to see the things aga

1

beniibobs2 months ago

yeah adding a “resources” tag for resources and a “boards” tag for boards asap would be great, atm the top 4 threads are boards and most of the time when im checking that’s not what I care about seeing

beniibobs2 months ago

Yeah I get that but when it was made alongside a message giving guidelines literally describing the sort of thing it’s meant for, I think that’s as clear-cut as it gets.

Artnauta2 months ago

Sry about that and I kinda agree with u now? We don't need Resources, Strat-dev AND a third challenge channel. Now in my mind it makes sense to keep the strat-dev parts of the challenges in strat dev? Rather than doing that in resources which feels like it should be more permanent/static/offical?

maya2 months ago

i mean its kind of unfair to take something that was made before custom boards were probably even Considered and treat it as word of law, and that goes for anything new that would require space in resources
even if you Want to perceive it as exactly how it is though, to me the point of the "etc." is to cover bases for future things

maya2 months ago

ya more or less where i stand tbh

Artnauta2 months ago

Probably having people post the board in resources and then discussing it in strat-dev is the worst of both worlds rather than the best of both

maya2 months ago

its fine if ppl disagree i just think the idea of resources being this one small thing forever doesnt rlly align with my own opinions of what the forum is and thats fine

maya2 months ago

idk yeah i think it does kind of start to become a clutter issue if theres a resource page and a strat dev page for the same board because it kind of defeats the purpose of strat dev in my mind. nsla proposed strat dev as like the lab for a resource to be created in and then resources is like the resulting forum its posted in

maya2 months ago

rather than the inverse being the case

maya2 months ago

(which is kinda how it is with custom boards)

maya2 months ago

i think its probably best if discussion for strategies for a board stayed within the boards resource thread

beniibobs2 months ago

#resources was never vague until now. It was always clear what was meant to be added. We just have to admit that resources will be used for something it wasn’t intended for because this is how Feinberg chose to send it and the alternative makes the server too cluttered.

jes2 months ago

four

jes2 months ago

nah i'm jk but

jes2 months ago

again just make a new category for creative / lobby / whatever and people can hide it clientside if they don't care

jes2 months ago

i have the honeypot channel hidden cus i don't care and don't want to accidentally click it

jes2 months ago

that way lobbies could also be moved to the lobbies category

jes2 months ago

and maybe also bot commands altho it's mostly used for log submits

jes2 months ago

lobbies and match chat

jes2 months ago

idk or you could put the forums in a forums category

jes2 months ago

there's a lot of ways to condense things into less "cluttered" concepts that's why discord added categories like 7 years ago

jes2 months ago

the issue with organization is it is just super subjective, if any channels get moved after the server existing like this for 2 months people will immediately complain for a week before it passes back into muscle memory

Threadfinn2 months ago

I feel like if it actually were ambiguous, more people would be posting their custom boards there. Instead the first one was feinberg, followed by fyroah and naddy. Everyone else assumed that wasn't the place and that it would get deleted.

Threadfinn2 months ago

Imo making a post with the seed and board for the 0 second 3x3 rp is more of a "resource" but nobody has done that, probably because they aren't as well known in the community.

jes2 months ago

it's a silly speedrun but that's about it, it's also a bug that i imagine is getting patched sometime in the next month

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

how can you claim that everyone else assumed that though. i haven't seen anybody share a custom board/ask where to share one outside of the 3 you mentioned

jes2 months ago

if it wasn't already cus that was found a whileee ago

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

opening chests before the timer starts is already patched

jes2 months ago

thought as much

Threadfinn2 months ago

I've played several lobbies with people who made their own custom boards they wanted to share. I can't say for sure why they didn't share them in any channel but they clearly wanted other people to play them

jes2 months ago

there's #match-chat ?

jes2 months ago

that allows media

jes2 months ago

oh made

jes2 months ago

eehhh

jes2 months ago

i mean

Threadfinn2 months ago

Imo the "etc." more applies to things like prolav's stats website. It doesn't directly relate to gameplay or learning to complete a specific goal, but it is inarguably a resource.

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

regardless, there's no use debating about #resources here, i'm probably gonna close the thread soon

jes2 months ago

should there be a separate thread for "make a new discord category for lobby discussion and custom boards" or is the topic shutdown entirely genq

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

idk if there's a limit for number of tags allowed in 1 channel

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

or wait what do you mean channel category

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

not forum tags

Threadfinn2 months ago

I think they mean forum tags like how suggestions has objectives, gameplay, discord, website

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

she said lobby discussion so idk

jes2 months ago

well the staff proposed a discord

jes2 months ago

but like why not just make a channel category in this server

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

to clarify, nothing was proposed

jes2 months ago

with forums/channels related

jes2 months ago

oh

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

i dont really think we're gonna get anywhere arguing about this youre just repeating talking points over and over

jes2 months ago

i'm not arguing i was asking

Uniquepotatoes2 months ago

yea fair

jes2 months ago

if i should make a separate thread

noura 🜛OP2 months ago(edited)

it was just a "why not do this instead" sorta thing

jes2 months ago

for like a category being suggested

Threadfinn2 months ago

" Keep discussion on topic and at a minimum. Discussion should only happen under a resource post for clarifying information, asking questions, etc; try not to drown out a thread with yap."
Unrelated to that but I also don't really think the custom board posts are really following this rule. Implying they don't belong there

jes2 months ago

ye sorry i misinterpreted ur og message

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

ur good

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

no need to minimod

jes2 months ago

anyways my original question was if this thread is being closed, is it worth making a new suggestion on the topic of having a channel category for lobby discussion (including custom boards forum) or is the topic being shutdown entirely and left to staff discussion following this thread

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

it doesn't dq a post if some discussions are breaking the guideline

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

yes you should make a new suggestion for it

1

closure2 months ago

prolly cause if they share them it'll just get lost

jes2 months ago

as opposed to making a new discord if it ever came up*

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

nah it's not like a set in stone thing

closure2 months ago

why not just rename this thread in light of new information

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

rename it to what?

Threadfinn2 months ago

I'm just saying that the by far most popular resources is prolav's sheet. It has 400 messages while feinberg board has double that in far less time. Even if you want to debate whether the boards themselves should be in resources, most of the discussion on them is clearly not under the the resource guidelines.

jes2 months ago

i think it's fine to close it and reset the discussion

jes2 months ago

^^

Threadfinn2 months ago

If it were just one discussion, sure. But 4 of them getting like this implies it's an issue with the type of post.

jes2 months ago

https://discord.com/channels/1493030345048719483/1531777309604970536

jes2 months ago(edited)

^^ please do not debate about the validity of custom boards being in resources or not being in resources in this thread

closure2 months ago

"create a custom board tag in #resources forum"

closure2 months ago(edited)

or even better "make a specific place on the server for people to share custom boards"

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i'd feel scummy renaming a thread after people already voted and shared their thoughts. better to make a new one for it

closure2 months ago

good point actually

blanket addict2 months ago

not sure I'm liking this new draftout goal

2

blanket addict2 months ago

are thread tags gonna be added to resources though I think leaving it all in that channel is fine if there's filters for stuff

closure2 months ago

isn't the way i stated it the exact same as the title of the thread

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

i do agree, but i don't know whether or not they will be added, plus idk how it'd work with the existing posts having no tags

blanket addict2 months ago

can mods add tags to thread idk how discord forms work

blanket addict2 months ago

but the server is like 2 months old it'll fix itself with time worst case scenario

jes2 months ago

yes they can

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

yes

jes2 months ago

u can add tags anyone can add, mod only tags, and a setting that makes it so tags are required, then after posts are made forum mods can add tags to posts

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

if they do get added it'd be better to do it sooner rather than later

2

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

reduce the backlog for us :p

blanket addict2 months ago

yeah I think just add it soon make it mandatory and then a mod can tag the whole backlog

Artnauta2 months ago(edited)

Imma try to summarize a bit and number my argument so we don't go in circles as much:
1.Having an extra channel would make the overall discord feel cluttered, therefore a merge is probably ideal
2.Custom boards match with resources in that the original post is like a resource to have fun.
3.Custom boards match with strat-dev in that the comments below and activity on them will be mostly strategising.
4.Merging with the resources channel would go against the spirit of the channel (see msg I'm replying to). As people have rightfully pointed out, blindly sticking to the rules as they were shaped at the servers conception is not necessary, but I don't see any reason to change it either, when the channel is fulfilling it's purpose and:
5.Strat-dev currently has the least threads. The tags currently used aren't all that useful either and imo point 3 of this msg is more convincing to me than point 2.

noura 🜛OP2 months ago

gonna close this as rejected now, thank you all for your discussion!

Create a "custom-boards" channel to share boards