More time limit options and/or dynamic time limit based on rank

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goSciu97 messagesstarted May 26, 2026, 3:52 PM

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goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

This is gonna be a sort of 1-up for other suggestions in here (like this or this).

General idea is that lower rank players, casuals are naturally slower at goals which makes the games longer.

In Ranked, time is unlimited which makes games incredibly long - 90, 120, or more seem to be standard if no one forfeits beforehand. Might be an issue for players with less time on their hands, stopping them from ever playing Ranked, or if they do, troubling them if the game lasts long and their opponent won't forfeit (which they have a right to do).
In Quickplay on the other hand, you're limited to 30 minutes, so there's no time to train anything within said time limit. I've been suggested singleplayer board to train, which is good, but it removes the element of having to deal with an opponent.

So, I have some potential solutions:

Suggestion 1 - as others asked, have extra time limit options for both modes
In my opinion, Quickplay should have an option for 30 and 90 minute matches. Ranked should have 60 and infinite time limit.

Suggestion 2 - introduce dynamic time limit to Ranked
In some comp games where the match length can be variable, there are dynamic win conditions. From my own experience: TETR.IO has a First-To-7 for players in ranks U or above, FT5 for S- and above and FT3 for everyone below - this is introduced because lower rank players tend to have longer individual rounds due to lack of their speed. Something similar could be introduced here. Have different ranks have different time limit for their games. For example, have unlimited for Diamond I and above (those games will naturally play shorter either way), 90 minutes for Gold I and above, and 60 minutes for anyone below. This might incentivize more causal players to try Ranked too.

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goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

I was also thinking of maybe having a dynamic goal pool for different ranks but character limit got me. Lower ranked players are less likely to go for end-game goals which on their own already take much more time. Why not have lower ranks players have a different pool of goals to draft from, making it more likely to have Overworld goals which in turn would make game faster for them?
Should I put it in another suggestion thread or nah?

Peti6 days ago

Tetr.io player

Anyway question for time limit suggestion if its like end of 30 minutes score 7-7 who wins?

goSciuOP6 days ago

Draw

goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

that's how it already work

Ciel6 days ago

It's already been discussed regarding the time limit in Ranked. I think ranked should only have one way to play, and a 90min or 100min time limit is a good compromise. As for quick play, there is just not a big enough playerbase right now.

Peti6 days ago

Mabye instead of time limit, what I saw few suggestions, smaller board for lower ranks?

goSciuOP6 days ago

ok, so that'd go for the other thing I suggested

goSciuOP6 days ago

this one

goSciuOP6 days ago

have different ranks have different goals

Ciel6 days ago

lower ranks? are you insane? If it was a smaller board for quick play for example I get it, that's an option, but no way are you playing a smaller board in lower elo, we're not in kindergarten

Peti6 days ago

yea

goSciuOP6 days ago

kind of thought about this with osu! ranked in mind - players get beatmaps that are within their skill level. Ther are some rare harder ones so that you can fool around every few rounds - Peppy (lead dev) said that it's basically 80% chance you get a card with normal beatmap and a 20% you get a "fun" difficult one

Peti6 days ago

Well then what else can be done for lower ranked players?

Peti6 days ago

its same in mcsr lower ranked players dont get specific seeds / get easier seeds

Ciel6 days ago

overall, I disagree with having any changes between the elos. In MCSR Ranked it is fine to have seed types that are exclusive to higher ranks because it doesn't change how the seed types that are in lower elo are actually played. If we imagined more goals in higher elo, that would change the whole way of playing, since goals are all intertwined in the game

goSciuOP6 days ago

so for Draftout, this would be like, for casuals, 80% Overworld, 20% Nether and higher ranks 80% Overworld + Nether, 20% End?

goSciuOP6 days ago

or something similar

Peti6 days ago

or maybe just have diffrent goal pools for lower ranked players that doesnt take that long

goSciuOP6 days ago

even within Overworld goals there's "easy" and "difficult" ones

Ciel6 days ago

If you play a ruined portal seed in low elo it's the same as playing a ruined portal seed in high elo, but in draftout everything is linked, having even just one goal difference between ranks changes the whole dynamic

Ciel6 days ago

seed types and goals are not the same thing

Ciel6 days ago

quick play is here for those who don't want games taking that long

goSciuOP6 days ago

well, there might be people who want to play full game and not take it a while

Ciel6 days ago

You can have anything you want about changes in quick play, and I can understand, but for ranked, things should be the same for everyone

Ciel6 days ago

then change quick play, not ranked.

goSciuOP6 days ago

ok, so another note about Quickplay

goSciuOP6 days ago

is there currently any SBMM in Quickplay?

Ciel6 days ago

SBMM?

goSciuOP6 days ago

skill-based matchmaking

Ciel6 days ago

I don't know, I don't think so but I'm not sure, I have a lot of variance in my quick play games

Peti6 days ago

there is "internal" elo for qp but not a lot people care about qp

Peti6 days ago

Why not make the game a bit easier for lower ranks? It wont effect higher ranks

Ciel6 days ago

really? I got an iron player and an amethyst player in succession, mayube they just didn't play a lot of quick plqy games idk

goSciuOP6 days ago

I think I need to try QP again, because inital games were kind of terrible which pushed me to play Ranked as I expected matches to more balanced there

goSciuOP6 days ago

and it kinda is like that

Ciel6 days ago

because then if you get from lower elo to higher elo the game just completely changes? If I'm playing with one mode I don't want it to change when I get better or worse

goSciuOP6 days ago

unironically Ranked is better Casual mode than actual casual mode, which is something a lot of games surprisingly deal with LUL

goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

it doesn't have to be a big, harsh step up

goSciuOP6 days ago

slowly introduce harder goals as you climb the ranks

Peti6 days ago

Im not saying completly change like changing the goal pool a little (removing harder end-game goals wont changed it, especially when you can put them back at any rank)

goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

(I wish you could change the thread title, this is definitely now a goal-related thread rather than time)

Ciel6 days ago

Any difference sucks. More goals don't just mean more difficulty, it changes things that already exist. Think about it, if suddenly at higher difficulty you get more amethyst goals, you need to change your prio and change things that you already learned. What was important for you to do previously becomes less important, and the opposite can be true as well.

Ciel6 days ago

Imagine if suddenly in MCSR Ranked you had suddenly less string in bastions to make beds when you got to higher elo, that would completely change how you play the game

Peti6 days ago

but im not talking about higher elo
I use this scenario imagine giving lower ranked players more string so they can kill the dragon easily

Ciel6 days ago

It's literally the same

Ciel6 days ago

same problem

Ciel6 days ago

you're playing a different game

Ciel6 days ago

Imagine routes that work for one elo but not the other

Peti6 days ago

the more you play the better u get the less string u need

goSciuOP6 days ago

Ok, so this also is based on fact that game should work mechanically the same regardless of skill level, which I could get behind, but I think youre approaching it in a wrong way

goSciuOP6 days ago

like, this is much different

Peti6 days ago

So games should work same on the same level? Every level prioritizing the same stuff?

goSciuOP6 days ago

MCSR is more more streamlined, Draftout is a game with much more creative control

goSciuOP6 days ago

you said that priorities shouldn't change between ranks
well, in my opinion, they already do. Players with different skill approach things differently

goSciuOP6 days ago

like, I currently do not care about any End goals and Nether are a maybe

goSciuOP6 days ago

as you learn the game and get better those priorites naturally change

goSciuOP6 days ago

this is not a case of "this is the only path you should take"

Ciel6 days ago

Not necessarily, but if you get in an elo with more amethyst goals for example, that not only adds more things to learn, which is fine, but also just makes your already established playstyle just change

Ciel6 days ago

I think my example is relevant

Peti6 days ago

But u suddenly wont get like 5 amethist goals in one board Think about it like in Iron u can get mining amethist Gold rank can also add a cahnce to draft from goal pool looking at x entities with spyglass and in amethist rank to pool can be added like look at enderdragon with spyglass

Peti6 days ago

the lower rank goals will be there in higher ranks but in higher ranks will also be added new goals

Ciel6 days ago

If you have a new seed type to learn it just means you have to learn new things, and doesn't change what was already there, but if you have new goals, that can mean what you've learned is now wrong

Peti6 days ago

but u still going for the geode just doing something diffrent with it

Ciel6 days ago

That's just like saying instead of making 5 dumb changes I'll just make them one by one it's gonna be less impactful trust, like yeah it sure is but it's still bad

Ciel6 days ago

I'm not saying it's making the game completely different, but even a little difference can be felt a lot

goSciuOP6 days ago(edited)

so the way i I see it is should go:
lower ranks player have low chance to get difficult goals -> it naturally makes them the tiebreaker -> it incentivizes you to learn basic strats to get an advantage -> ( eg. you get better at Nether -> more Nether tasks are now available ) -> player is more willing to take risks -> more difficult tasks available -> again, player is incentivized to learn harder things -> the loop goes on

goSciuOP6 days ago

it doesn't really break anything, it makes the game feel natural for players

Ciel6 days ago

Imagine if you have a specific routing, but then you get at a higher rank and now regularly have to route for a warden which are under mountain biomes. Suddenly the game is just different.

goSciuOP6 days ago

and in turn, the game itself teaches the player how to get higher

Ciel6 days ago

But then what happens if you get lower elo? You're acting like elo is something that constantly increases. I was hardstuck in valorant for 3 years and if I knew I wasn't good enough to be playing the game pros played I would just kill myself

Ciel6 days ago

This should just be something kept to quick play

Ciel6 days ago

or any kind of casual play

Ciel6 days ago

If it was like you leveled up in casual to slowly learn the game, sure that's a good idea, but again, every change like that should be kept to casual

goSciuOP6 days ago

there's definitely some kind of misunderstanding because I dont think that elo just keeps on rising on its own

goSciuOP6 days ago

its a direct consequence of learning

goSciuOP6 days ago

and by being provided new tasks you're incentivized to learn them, making you better and thus more likely to win and climb up

Ciel6 days ago

except it's not. As I've made the argument, you can know 10 times more stuff but elo just has never been and will never be an accurate measurement of knowledge. It's a measurement of skill, which is just not the same thing

Ciel6 days ago

So no, as I've said, elo doesn't necessarily rise over time

Ciel6 days ago

And even if it does, it is way too inconsistent between players to be tracking their knowledge progression

Ciel6 days ago

What if they manage to just pass through the section that requires learning nether by just never playing nether and just being mechanically better, or just luckier?

Ciel6 days ago

Don't make elo track knowledge, that's just not how it works.

goSciuOP6 days ago

but skill is tighly connected to knowledge

goSciuOP6 days ago

I'd say skill is knowledge plus execution

goSciuOP6 days ago

and the way you try to argue it seems like its only about execution

Ciel6 days ago

You're the one arguing that it's only knowledge bro are you ragebaiting, listen to what you're saying for a second

Ciel6 days ago

it's actually a comedy

goSciuOP6 days ago

i said it because it is a part of what youre missing

Ciel6 days ago

Go play with someone else, I don't have the time.

goSciuOP6 days ago

like, should I have said "it makes you learn -> you learn -> you get better at doing it" rather than "it makes you learn -> it makes you better at doing it"?

goSciuOP6 days ago

also, I started this thread because I have a suggestion, I think I have the right to defend my point
If you disagree but do not want to argue, you have the option not to answer

Ciel6 days ago

So have you considered that most of the time it might just be either you learn -> you don't get better at doing it and also you don't learn -> you get better at doing it ? Because these happen very often as well.
I'll repeat it because you don't seem to understand, elo. doesn't. track. knowledge. It tracks skill.

goSciuOP6 days ago

I said the same

Peti6 days ago

more u play the better u r

Ciel6 days ago

no way

Benjobopper6 days ago

I think a 90-100 minute time limit on matches makes sense, I think one of the biggest drawbacks of this game is that matches can be so long and it is hard to tell how time consuming a game will be until you finished drafting.

pinkpuff6 days ago

I don't hate a time limit idea. I wouldn't want the board to change or completions required based on rank though, unless its just a quickplay/private room setting. I like the 5x5 in gold i, feels so good to get to 13 even if it takes an hour