Remove these goals in particular: "Kill All Raid Mobs", "Brew Lingering Potion", and "Kill Warden"

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Ciel53 messagesstarted May 26, 2026, 2:11 PM

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CielOP6 days ago(edited)

These three goals have the lowest number of completions, according to statistics in resources, and I consider them way too time consuming and basically never worth the effort.
Both the Raid Mobs and the Warden goals are risky and take a very long time to do, especially considering that it's difficult to overlap them with other goals, and Brew Lingering Potion not only requires you to go to the end, and then spend more time to brew the potion with a brewing stand. And again, good luck overlapping something when you are in the end. You could also choose to brew the potion while being in the overworld to have an easier time to overlap but then that requires you to beat the game before that to come back to the overworld.
In short, those three goals elongate the length of the match way too much. You can have one of these as the last goal left when there's 12-12 and you will probably spend more than 10min just working on them after that.

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Tacomonster6 days ago

brew lingering can be done in trial chambers

Tacomonster6 days ago

i think end rod is worse

CielOP6 days ago

hmm

Tacomonster6 days ago

???

maskers6 days ago

yeah i like the brew lingering goal

Tacomonster6 days ago

how do you get end rod faster than the enter end wr

maskers6 days ago(edited)

cheating?

Tacomonster6 days ago

yeah thats what i was thinking

Tacomonster6 days ago

but i didnt think that person was a cheater

maskers6 days ago

oh i didn't look at the images lol

maskers6 days ago

i also feel like kill warden is chill, assuming it filters for deep dark close

CielOP6 days ago

bro was speedrunning I guess?

Tacomonster6 days ago

the only thing i can think of is that its not updated on enter end specifically

CielOP6 days ago

I really disagree, I think it's risky, and not fun at all

maskers6 days ago

idk what does kill all raid mobs filter for but it also doesn't seem that hard compared to any% goals

CielOP6 days ago(edited)

No? It's just that he did the rod when enter end wasn't a goal?

Tacomonster6 days ago

oh true

Tacomonster6 days ago

that makes sense

Tacomonster6 days ago

crazy speedrun tho

CielOP6 days ago

I mean I'm only following statistics here, and the point is not just that they're difficult, or time consuming, but also that it's not fun, as no one is picking those goals basically

Tacomonster6 days ago

erm wat

Tacomonster6 days ago

theres no way the wr is 24 minutes

CielOP6 days ago

welp

CielOP6 days ago

that's weird

Tacomonster6 days ago

ive beaten that time myself!

Tacomonster6 days ago

ig i should be guardian rank cause im faster than mongey yep

Tacomonster6 days ago

7rowl6 days ago(edited)

Goal being risky doesnt really matter. Lots of things are risky and rng, thats the point of the game, to judge whats worth and whats currently not. Also a lot of "risk" that you are implying about these goals can be negated by playing around it.
Goals being too slow isnt valid point either since very little time has been into researching and developing strats. Adjacent to this, there are routing potentials where these goals are worth to go for, you can get both redstone and glowstone from witches from the raid, you can use tnt / lava bucket to speed it up. Lingering potion you can get from trial chambers. Kill warden can be overlapped with 30 levels (since you are in deep dark) / caving / entering nether.

7rowl6 days ago

We will consider the statistics for adjusting goals in the future, but its too early for now.

CielOP6 days ago

I guess it's too early to judge, I understand.

Tacomonster6 days ago

yeah it was fixed

JakiNick6 days ago

another thing is if you remove these three because theyre the lowest in statistics

JakiNick6 days ago

then another 3 will be the lowest

blanket addict6 days ago

well I don't think they'd be removed for being the lowest it'd be because they're too slow and not fun, there's no guarantee the bottom 3 goals will have that problem

blanket addict6 days ago

just rn there's a handful of very commital time consuming goals

blanket addict6 days ago

so like rn it's too early to remove stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if goals like that got removed in the future

Tacomonster6 days ago

lingering potion is chosen 13.1% of the time, clearly its not a favorite lol

blanket addict6 days ago

is brew lingering a lot lower than the other end goals

blanket addict6 days ago(edited)

because it seems both faster and more versatile than end rod/dragon egg/chorus fruit

blanket addict6 days ago(edited)

kinda weird it's the lowest end goal probably that won't last

plushie6 days ago

No way I do it myself but raid mobs actually feels like a useful strategy sometimes, gives an easy path to 6 status effects

plushie6 days ago(edited)

Also I don’t know if new versions changed that but people have gotten very good at 1.16 raids with TNT

blanket addict6 days ago

the raid one is cool the problem is more just bad omen

blanket addict6 days ago(edited)

like if you have access to bad omen it seems like a very overlappable late game goal, but on non outpost seeds getting bad omen can be a massive problematic time sink which is then followed by getting back to a village (potentially from a trial chamber) and doing the whole raid

blanket addict6 days ago(edited)

so on non outpost seeds where nobody lucks into bad omen or has trial chamber overlaps it's a 12-12 nightmare goal

JakiNick6 days ago

yeah i get its just the reasoning for only doing it because its bottom 3 in data is not good enough

blanket addict6 days ago

I agree with that

blanket addict6 days ago

I assume once some time passes and things are more stable then there'll be like a more in depth look at if the really low completion rate goals are problematic or not

Feinberg6 days ago

agreeing with what rowl said above but its fine for there to be longer goals

Feinberg6 days ago

games would be really boring if every goal could be done off spawn in 5 minutes and the average match length was like 10 minutes

Feinberg6 days ago

theres a lot of strategy in overlapping exploration towards longer term goals / setup for longer goals on the board while also trying to get the easier goals on the board